An interview with Deirdre Fields, part 1

by Kevin Alfred Strom

AS WE’VE DISCUSSED on this program several times before, there is an almost unknown genocide of White people happening right now in South Africa — a country which once was a technologically advanced First World nation under White rule, but which is rapidly descending into chaos and savagery under Black rule. (ILLUSTRATION: Three executioners of Whites in South Africa: left, Winnie Mandela; center, Nelson Mandela; right, Joe Slovo, Nelson Mandela’s Jewish handler and mentor.)

Today we are pleased to welcome to our microphones Mrs. Deirdre Fields, who lives now in California but who is probably the premiere activist in the United States on behalf of White South Africans.

Kevin Alfred Strom: Welcome to the program, Deirdre.

Deirdre Fields: Thank you, Kevin; it’s a great pleasure to be here.

KAS: It was wonderful to hear you speak so passionately and so well at the European American conference last month in New Orleans. My only complaint was that your speech should have been quite a bit longer.

DF: Well, I was lucky to get the time.

KAS: Can you tell us a little bit about your background and how you came to be so well-informed about South Africa?

DF: Well, I am a South African. I’m an Afrikaner. My ancestors go back to several very prominent leaders in South Africa. So I guess we’ve always been involved in politics. Actually, even one of my Mother’s cousins was a cabinet minister for many years. So this has been very important to us. We’ve had the awareness.

I studied politics myself; I have a degree in international politics. And, of course, one just sees what’s going on. I became particularly vocal when I began my overseas travels. I was so astounded at how little people knew about South Africa, and what total propaganda they had been fed and how misconceived their perceptions were — and I would of course be setting the record straight.

KAS: I can remember back in the 1970s the propaganda was almost incessant — in every medium here in the US; newspapers, television, radio — about the incredible “evil” of the so-called Apartheid regime in South Africa, the White government there. And most of these hosts and writers in the media considered the racial policies of that government to constitute a real emergency — we had to “do something” to bring down this White government. Was it during this period that your awareness was developing?

DF: Absolutely. The whole world had sanctions against us. We were told how we were “oppressing our Blacks” and we looked at our accusers and asked “How are we oppressing them?” They had the highest living standard in the whole of Africa.

And the whole basis of the complaint was that we had “stolen the land from the Blacks.” And that’s erroneous. We did not. The Blacks were not there before us. The first White settlers arrived in 1652. This was under the aegis of the Dutch East India Company of Holland. At that time there were only Bushmen and Hottentots — neither of which are Negroes. Bushmen are Sanids and Hottentots are Khoisanids; they are not Negroids. Both these groups died out in 1715 and 1717 in two smallpox epidemics, and what is left of them exists only in the Colored [mixed] population.

The first Blacks didn’t come down to our part of Africa until the late 1700s. And they first really started to swamp into South Africa only after gold and diamonds were discovered. And that was due to Cecil Rhodes and his cronies who were importing Black labor from all over. These Blacks came in and worked on contract — and after, say, three years, they were just let loose. And this is how they came to South Africa.

Today we have something like nine different Black ethnic groups in South Africa, none of which gets on well with the others.

Under the system of Grand Apartheid as devised by Dr. Verwoerd, we tried to give each one of those ethnic groups self-determination — and we actually gave them parts of our territory in order to draw them out of the White mainland. So we gave them homelands like Bophuthatswana [pop. 2.5 million], which was composed of Tswanas. They come from Botswana, which is a huge country on our border. When we gave them independence, Bophuthatswana was the seventh richest country in Africa — before they were reintegrated into South Africa when our country was handed over to the ANC. They then reabsorbed all these independent Black nations.

KAS: So, basically, South Africa had a policy of separate development — but it was not a policy of genocide against Blacks.

DF: Oh, absolutely not — in fact, quite the opposite. Their numbers burgeoned under White rule because we had White medicine and also because we stopped them from hacking each other to pieces. That was largely successful, but not completely. Wherever they were in proximity to each other there was still huge unrest. Our South African surgeons were frequently the best in the world because they had practice that was unavailable anywhere else. In a place like Soweto — a big Black township — although they had the different tribes in different sections, they would come in contact with each other, and they would attack each other.

KAS: Yes. I can remember, not only in the 70s but all the way through the 80s and part of the 90s, the endless demonstrations in front of the South African embassy. Even some celebrities, such as Amy Carter, would demonstrate there. And there was a sense of urgency, promoted I think mainly by the media. We were told it really was an “emergency.” We had to bring down this “evil” White government.

However now we have a situation in which we hardly ever hear anything at all about South Africa in the media. Apparently everything there must be fine. Since they voted in the new constitution 11 years ago, now that there is a Black ANC government, clearly there’s no emergency anymore and everything is all right — at least according to the so-called American media. Do you agree with that?

DF: Absolutely not. The beauty of South Africa is that it shows up the hypocrisy of the New World Order. Yes, you’re quite right, there was a sense of urgency that the “hateful” Apartheid regime needed to be removed, because we were “oppressing the Blacks.”

Well, today, South Africa, especially Johannesburg, is the rape and murder capital of the world. There is terrific lawlessness. In fact, total lawlessness: You’re even afraid to call the police because you never know if the police are going to attack you or not. For a White person, it’s particularly bad — but it’s extremely bad for the Blacks too. They have been unable to sustain the country; it’s rapidly becoming a Third World country.

Soon after Mandela took power, we had this terrific insurgence of Blacks from all over Africa — so that we gained over 20 million people. They’re squatters; they’re on people’s land. The ANC is not doing anything to protect the landowners, who are being murdered. There is a huge genocide policy going on right now in South Africa which is totally ignored by the media.

KAS: That’s a strong word to use — genocide. What evidence is there that genocide is taking place and that genocide is the intention of the current rulers of South Africa?

DF: You had a youth leader of the ANC who adopted as his motto “Kill a farmer; kill a Boer.” That was his motto.

KAS: Now ‘Boer’ means ‘farmer’ in Afrikaans, the language of many of the White South Africans, correct?

DF: Yes.

KAS: And ANC stands for African National Congress. That was the Black Marxist party which was handed power in 1994. And you’re telling me that their actual open slogan used by one of their leaders was “Kill a farmer; kill a Boer”?

DF: Yes, absolutely. And since then there have been between 1,700 and 1,800 murders — brutal murders — of Afrikaner farmers. Now these murders are usually without any monetary motive. Some of the earlier ones we had pictures of, but since then there’s been an ANC policy that pictures are not to be released and these stories are not to be covered because they “incite racial hatred” or whatever. There have been marches and protests in the streets about this.

I’ll just give you an example of what is happening: A farmer would go out to work his land. Then these terrorists would come to the farmhouse and attack the wife, kill her and sometimes rape her. And then they’d wait in the house until the children came home, and kill them. Then they’d wait again until the farmer himself came home, and they would murder him. And there were different degrees of atrocities. Sometimes they’d chop the head off, sometimes they’d chop the hands off. There was one poor person who had his hands cut off, and he was castrated, and then burned to death. They had babies — six-month-old babies — wrapped up in newspaper and then burnt alive. There’s been a whole slew of murders of elderly Whites — like one old farmer and his wife… they shot the man, who was probably trying to defend his wife; they got hold of her, tied her to a tree, and tortured her for hours on end with boiling water before they finally slit her throat.

KAS: Sick. And you say there is no monetary motive in some of these cases.

DF: Often they wouldn’t take anything. Sometimes they’d take a boom box, or sometimes a TV or VCR. But usually nothing much.

In Natal, they broke into a house where everybody was sleeping. They murdered the father and mother and I think one of the children. And there was a young boy — a teenager about 13. They made him give them the keys to the safe, from which they stole the weapons. They held him and forced him to watch his parents being murdered. Then they took him in a little pickup truck out into the bundoo where there’s nothing at all — took him out and then thrust their AIDS-infected tongues in his mouth. And left him to find his own way back.

And there are so many rapes these days. If all things were equal, there should be a huge outcry about the lack of rights for women in South Africa, because we are now the rape capital of the world. This is not only for Whites, but for Blacks as well. The Blacks are very superstitious there, too, and AIDS is rampant. The witch doctors have told them — and they believe — that if they rape a virgin, then they will be cleansed of their AIDS. And so they are doing this to children. Even little babies have been gang-raped. You’d think there would be an international outcry about this.

KAS: Who’s behind these farm murders? Who’s planning them? Who’s encouraging them? And why do you call it genocide?

DF: It’s genocide because they’re going after a group — White people — who are identifiable by their race, their skin color. And most of the farmers are Afrikaners. So they’re going after that group specifically. This is also part of their plan to “redistribute” the land. This also happened in Rhodesia, which is now Zimbabwe. They drove off all the White farmers, but they didn’t murder them as much as they’re doing in South Africa. They basically just drove them off the land. And that has received some publicity. But in South Africa they’re actually murdering them.

So if your skin is White you are a target. You have to be very careful. I have lost several friends of mine already, who’ve been murdered there. If you have Blacks committing murder on Whites, on a specific group, then you have to say it’s genocide. And nobody’s doing anything about it.

In fact, I have a very interesting case that is quite damning of the ANC and their complicity in all this. It’s the case of Rick Theron and his common law wife Estelle van Dyk, who had a farm where they retrained racehorses. When they bought the farm it had a couple of squatters on it, living in some of the outbuildings. But Theron and his wife really needed that space for their own servants. So they tried to negotiate with the squatters and get them off. And after a time, they were actually successful, and the squatters moved.

Then the ANC came along, and brought in trucks, and told these squatters “You don’t have to leave.” And they brought them back on the property. You can imagine what that did to the attitude of these invaders: “This is our place; you can’t do anything about it.”

And then there were cars driving around the property at all hours of the night, driving right past their house and making a huge noise. So the couple would complain. They would complain to the ANC. And they left a paper trail. All the time. Without any success.

The numbers of these squatters just burgeoned. They started pulling down the buildings that were there. They just took them apart, removing various parts of the buildings. They even started taking things off the house. They threatened the servants, told them they were going to kill them. There were parts of the couple’s property that they could no longer use because they were too dangerous. The squatters told the family many times that they were going to kill them.

So Theron and his wife complained, over and over again, to the ANC. They described one interview they had with an ANC official. They said she could hardly look them in the eyes. They were told “You’re racists. You’re just part of the oppressors.”

The wife replied “I’ve been a nurse. I spent my whole time under the so-called Apartheid regime nursing Blacks in Soweto. I never did anything to oppress anybody.”

KAS: If you’re White, it’s very very difficult, I understand, to get the police or the other authorities to help you. You’re almost helpless against these marauding gangs.

DF: Absolutely. The upshot of the story for this family is that Rick was finally killed by these invaders. He was outside when they butchered him. Rick was hacked to pieces with an ax and Estelle barricaded herself in the house. The squatters tried to hack down her door and she shot through the door but missed, and one of the attackers shot her through a window. The keys of their 4×4 were on the kitchen table, but neither the 4×4 nor anything else was taken.

So they died. But they did leave that paper trail. And it shows how the ANC was backing up the squatters and how they totally supported everything that was going on.

KAS: Now you told me before the program that this attempt to commit genocide against the Boers is not the first attempt.

DF: No. The first attempt was in 1899 to 1902, during what the British called the Boer War — the Afrikaners called it the English War. And that is, of course, what it was. At the time of the discovery of gold there, the two Boer republics, the Transvaal and the Free State, had been recognized as independent states by international law. So Britain couldn’t gerrymander the border as she had done upon the discovery of diamonds.

KAS: So this was very much like the war of American independence 120 years before.

DF: Yes, there are many similarities. In fact our whole history is very similar.

So gold was discovered in the heartland of the Transvaal, and the Brits of course wanted to have control of it. There were some important gold mine owners; perhaps the most significant among them was Cecil John Rhodes. This is a man who had a vision of One World Government under Anglo-Saxon control. Unfortunately he was sponsored and financed by Rothschild — Lord Rothschild, who was not a White man.

KAS: He was a Jew…

DF: Yes, he was a Jew. The major gold mine owners were Jews — other than Rhodes who was English, but the representative of Rothschild. Their names were Alfred Beit, Julius Wernher, Barney Barnato, Sammy Marks, and Solly Joel. They had links with all the international financiers.

And Paul Kruger, who was the president of the Transvaal at the time, was very opposed to this whole bunch of people. The Afrikaners were strong Calvinists and considered that money was the source of all evil. And they could not stand these English-speaking materialists and opportunists who had invaded their land. I mean, we had just purchased that land with our blood, sweat, and tears.

We didn’t even have a standing army or anything like that. We were very much a pioneer republic.

So the financiers fronted the money to build up propaganda against the Afrikaners, and the whole character of the Afrikaner was smeared and totally destroyed. And they finally whipped Britain up into a war.

As I said, we didn’t have a standing army. And Britain sent out a quarter of a million troops. So how could you fight when you don’t have an army? This is really where guerrilla warfare got off the ground. They would ambush the Brits and then run to the nearest farm, change horses, and gallop away to fight again another day. So the British realized that they couldn’t win with a conventional war. I think in the whole war, four years, they were only able to kill 3,000 men in the field.

So they then devised a new plan, a scorched earth policy. They burnt down all the houses and the crops in the field, took whatever animals they could and killed the rest, and then took the women and children and put them in concentration camps. They were taken out for long journeys in all kinds of weather, in the blazing African sun, in open cattle trucks. They were put in concentration camps whose locations were purposely chosen to be bad for the health of the prisoners.

KAS: You have said that these were the first concentration camps in the history of Western civilization.

DF: That’s right — and they were for women and children only. Typhus broke out in the camps and one fifth of the population died. And there were other deliberate things.

For instance, my own great-grandmother was in a concentration camp, and they were given flour with ground glass in it. They were given bully beef with little fishhooks in it. My great-grandmother had a whole big bag full of these fishhooks that she’d fished out. And they have exhibits in a museum, too.

KAS: This is another story that Americans have not been told.

DF: No, they’ve never heard it.

And the captives were given bad rations — rotten meat, and so forth. We have pictures of children that look like Bergen-Belsen inmates, from typhus. But nobody seems to care, because we were on the wrong side of the stick…

But there were a couple of Bittereinders — Boers who continued to fight even after most of the people had surrendered. They fought so hard because the British were demanding unconditional surrender. They kept on fighting until they negotiated a better treaty. Afterwards, in 1910, we achieved Union and self-rule and so forth — which, for the British, pretty much undid all the gains of the war.

And today we have the same people, the same moneyed elite, still trying to get rid of the Afrikaner.

This whole One World Government got a real spurt in South Africa through the gold mines and through Rhodes. As I said before, Rhodes had this idea of creating a cabal, a secret society, to take over the world for the British. But then he left as his executor — Rothschild. So there were two purposes going at the same time; one group thought they were creating something for the British, and then you had Rothschild and his group, who were basically achieving their own separate ends, slowly subverting British rule.

KAS: Now it’s widely perceived that the present government of South Africa is a “Black government.” But you told me, and I believe you mentioned in your speech in New Orleans, that the ANC government does include a strong Jewish influence. Can you elaborate on that?

DF: There are about 11 Communist Jews who are in the cabinet and in other high positions in South Africa; many were appointed as soon as Mandela gained power. Joe Slovo was the most important. He was a Lithuanian Jew who was also a KGB colonel. He really brought the ANC to power. The ANC was a nondescript little group when he came in with the South African Communist Party (SACP) and took over. He wielded a great deal of power. He sort of swapped positions all the time, whether it was the ANC or the SACP or the Umkhonto we Sizwe which was the military arm of the ANC — the terrorist arm. He finally wrote the constitution of South Africa. He’s died in the meantime.

The Communist Jews included in Mandela’s cabinet and other high positions were:

Gil Marcus – SACP, Vice President of the S.A. Reserve Bank
Trevor Manuel – Minister of Finance
Alec Erwin – Minister of Trade and Finance
Ronnie Kasrils – Minister of Water Affairs and Forestry
Helena Dolny – Communist, former wife of Joe Slovo, Executive director of the Land Bank

Prof. Louise Tager – chairman of Spoornet (RSA’s railway system)
Michael Katz – the ANC-SACP’s chief consultant on taxation
Meyer Kahn – managing director of the police service

Many of these are still in office. Three of the 11 Constitutional Court Judges are Jewish: Richard Goldstone; Arthur Chaskelson; Albert Sachs.

The (spurious) official opposition party, the Democratic Party (DP), is controlled by Jews: Tony Leon was supported by Helen Suzman, Harry Schwartz, and was always financed by the Jewish mining magnate Harry Oppenheimer. Since Oppenheimer’s death, his son Nicki heads the financial enterprise from London, and presumably still supports the DP. Ironically, the “official opposition” is the same party which throughout the Oppenheimer years was constantly lobbying for concessions to the ANC.

And Oppenheimer actually boasted after the handover of power to Mandela that he, Oppenheimer, had really been “the quiet engine running the ANC for all these years.”

KAS: So you have South Africa’s probably richest man, the Jewish mining billionaire, stating that he was the power behind Marxist revolution. To most people, that would just blow their minds. It’s inconceivable.

DF: That’s right. This shows again the connection between Communism and capitalism.

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Be sure to be with us next week for the second part of our interview with South African expatriate and truth-teller extraordinaire Deirdre Fields, who will show us the tremendous and terrible lesson that the death and destruction of South Africa holds for White America.

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American Dissident Voices broadcast of June 18, 2005